Bart916

3 hours ago, Trem83 dijo:

Pues enhorabuena, que te voy a decir.

 

Llevas desde el 2013 metiendote en foros para lo mismo y todo el mundo menos Koji te dice que es custom.

 

Que Top toys seguia haciendo piezas sin licencia ? Si , que hizo fuerza T e iba a sacar una segunda wave y mattel le paró los pies por no tener los derechos? Si

Que top toys tiene variantes? Si

 

Que este faker es original? Pues nadie lo puede asegurar.  Pero si top toys hizo una tirada de varios faker con cajas y burbuja y sin cortar te aseguro que no solo harian 1 ni 2 , hubieran hecho unos cuantos y el tuyo no seria el único visto. Además que el unico que se ve "autentico" es el que tiene la pechera ladeada. Que curiosamente es el tuyo.

 

Luego se ven customs de Barbosa, que no son tan plateados.

 

No tendría mucho sentido que en esa época Top Toys estuviera sacando Fuerza T para saltarse la licencia de Mattel y de pronto sacaran un faker con colores alternativos con Caja motu , minicomic y demás.  No tiene sentido alguno a mi modo de ver.

 

Ademas, este faker tiene una pinta de bootleg o custom que no puede más,  la union de los brazos es demasiada pronunciada. Me refiero a la linea que se ven en los biceps.

 

Ahora bien, si tú crees que es auténtico genial y si lo es de verdad me alegro muchísimo. Pero al igual que tú piensas que es autentico y no se puede demostrar,que yo crea que es custom...tampoco nadie puede decirme lo contrario.

 

Es lo bueno del coleccionismo...o lo malo.

 

Lo importante es que seas feliz con esa figura,  que sea auténtica o custom no tiene nada que ver.

 

Podriamos decir que es el Faker definitivo ya que nadie puede asegurar su autenticidad ya que es algo ilegal de Top toys (si fuera el caso) o un bootleg/custom que se hace pasar por una replica falsa de top toys.

 

😂😂

 

 

Sorry but the way you talk it's obvious that you don't know the top toys. Let's start by saying that:
Reissue top toys are made with different molds than the standard line.

 A re-edition top toys has these characteristics:
-Large chest 
-Arm attachments with square pins and not round ones
-Muscular arms
- Muscular legs
- in the vintage line the pants are very smooth and with fewer details
- no coo ( in the last chest with square pin)

- thin and more fregine armor

- 2 small points are presend in the elsa of skeletor sword.

This faker is made from vintage reissue molds and all parts are correct as accessories. It 's 100% reediction.

Now I reply to your message:

I've had this piece since 2003.  Koji is a very expert in motu ( one of the the oldest collectors, extremely expert) 
I posted it in 2013 on gv and before I posted it on he man.org at the time. Of course I could have done it before. 
In Argentina this faker was authenticated as genuine by SHA sindacato he man Argentina group in 2019 and all Argentinean collectors know that it is original. They also made a  detailed review. I suggest you to read it.  ( They also have searched this figure for years)
When it was sold, the Fuerza T line probably hadn't come out yet. 
This faker is not build as a mass production piece but as a  prototype and it’s obvious that they made one or two pieces only.
 It was made in 2001.I have had confirmation of this fact from multiple sources.
Then how it cames out and why it came out is not a question of my interest. 
You have to know that at the time they made some charapters. The faker isn't the only one!
The yellow armors of faker were found in top toys into anold machine some years ago and they was sold to collectors. ( These armors have never been used in the fuerza T line) .

And How its possible that a custom figure has an original armor, never come out in any charapters? 
And why so much accessories? “Maybe are they going to make a mass production??”

Some years ago, It’s also be found in a deposit an he-man gold of the same series i repeat THE SAME EXACT SERIES OF MY FAKER,
 n 2003 they also offered me that HE MAN GOLD MOC in teela blister and in fuerza T bubble.
Now the loose version is in the hands of a note collector in Argentina. 
 I don't see why my faker that its come out from the same series, shouldn't be good if the he-man gold is ok and genuine. 
An about this ha-man they did 2 pieces. ( one moc sure and one loose ). This fact proved that they were not meant to be sold in a mass producion

About my faker the fact we know are the following:

1 – all accessories are original   
2 – card is vintage and original ( unfinisced)
3- the blu of hairs and boots are the same of shidoshi charaper. I reapet not similar ( that same). And it’s the same in other head test shot
4 – bubble is 100 % fuerza T original ( i have the proof)
5 – glue of the sealing is correct
4 - Body : all big muscular correct made by reediction molds.
5 – fuerza t Pants correct
6- It’s painted in a professional way with he man paint mask
6- There are marks on the boots as on all other Furza T 

7 – it’s the same series of that he-man claimed as original
 

2 hours ago, Trem83 dijo:

No tengo entendido eso. 

 

Es un custom con caja y burbuja custom.  

You are absolutely wrong. It's all original. The paper is vintage .The reason because it has the square corners and not the hole is due to the fact it is an UNFINISHED paper before due cutting. I have another faker vintage card to compare and proove it. The bubble is original Fuerza T with all signs and defects of that one used in the series (tre is a flaw in the fuerza bubbles and this one has the same sign in the same position proving that it is original. (otherwise fuerza T repro bubbles have never been made). In Argentina everyone knows my faker and all the most important expert confirms that it came from the factory. There are numerous proof. I can list all them but I really don't want to get into arguments here and in any other site. This is the one released in 2003 (I got it on eBay) but it dates back to 2001, before line fuerza t. All the other one are copies of this figure that i posted later on the web. The charapter is made with reediction molds

38 minutos atrás, Trem83 dijo:

Bonito custom de faker 

It's not a custom. It's original test shot from 2003. 

Dear Friends. I enclose for this forum only a new pic of argentor. I also make a comparison with this fuerza T figure Felinor. It's a rare variant with yellow armor ).

As you can see the both armors are the same.
The faker was a test shot dated from 2000 and 2001. At the time the Fuerza T line didn't exist again and it’s likely that the initial idea was to make figures like this. I can also remember a golden he-man and a man at arms .All charapters were moc with red vintage paper and fuerza T bubble. They made few pieces of each one charapter. In 2006 a serious collector from usa claimed to have seen an touched another copy of this faker argentor in the house of anther huge collector. This last collector sold all his collection and now he is untraceable. This second figure moc is a mistery. At the moment it s the oly one copy known. 
. For any question I’m here. Thank you to everyboy for watching.

Thank you too to have searched this faker. You are very kind. It s a beautiful this of saint seiya Group friends :). Now I can switch to collect saintseiya 😁. Thank you to everybody

. 

27 minutes ago, Trem83 said:

Yes es Top Toys, its amazing. Congratulations!

 

Can you tell us your history about the figure? Where and how  did you find 

Hi. It was sold in the autumn of 2003 on ebay. At the time the prices of motu was so different than today. An he-man laser moc was 250€  a tytus misb 600€, Eternia misb 600€. About faker the seller made 2 auction of this figure. In the first auction the price rises was over 710$ but it was not sold. In the second auction i bought it for about 200€. I was in love of this figure as soon as i saw it. I waited for mounthes and mouthes before receving it. I also remember of other figures ( not sols on ebay) as test shot as :he-man gold, skeletor, and others. But faker was the best figure. However all pictures i post are not of good quality. The figure is better and clear than you can see here.the blue is Electric! But i don t like to post detailed picture. Who makes custom used my pics to make their model but nobody talk about the original one. At the time its name was: Metallic Faker! Barbarossa changed name in argentor. Just Terribile name!! But it s a completely different figure to the mine. About the second one figure. Some Collectors told me it was bought by a very huge collector but now nothing we know and a pic has NEVER been posted

6 hours ago, KMKA said:

Indeed it is,

 

What a mistery!

 

 

Creo que es de Argentina, @Trem83. Un test shot, o figura de prueba, o a ver que tal sale esto con estos colores. Lo curioso del asunto es que es del 2003, con lo cual es un test shot de una reedición. Es tan raro, que solo hay dos. ¡Qué cosas! Cada día se aprende algo.

 

Thank you very much @Bart916, for share the history and the pics. Do u have just one of the back of the cardback?

 

The COO is visible? And if so, what country? China?

 

Thanks again!

 The back is original and vintage. Its so strange. It is un unfinish paper before cutting and punching, so the vignette is wider and with more details on the sides than the normal card.

15 minutes ago, Trem83 said:

and the figure ... what country is it?

it's enclosed in the last message. 

12 hours ago, KMKA said:

Ciao @Bart916,

 

Can u write in english or italian please?

 

The translator used to broke our latin languages and is very hard to understand your message. As far as i can understand, u said that the Metal Faker that trem83 posted (ages ago, lol) is your custom from 2003 made with original molds, card and bubble? And Barbarossa made their customs based in yours? Or Is a original figure (2 units made) made with molds of 2003?

 

Sorry, but i cant understand well ur message.

 

 

Please, any pic would be appreciated. Post a few more.

 

We love MOTUs (and someones, Myth Ex also, lol)!

 

 

Cumplimenti, é un bel MOTU

yes. you understand well.It's correct. this figure really exist. It's genuine. they made only 2 pieces but so far only mine is come out.  All real pics you see on the web are made by my self. I have it since 2003. Several years ago i posted pic on he man org to discover its history. barbarossa and who makes customs used my pics to make their model. He also copied the same mini book inside my faker. this figure was just a test shot of 2003 ( so it's not vintage) ma good in fuerza T style. they use rediction molds. that photograph made by myself is made using flash and old camera. real colour of hair and boots is dark blu like shidoshi ( not light blu). In my original faker the card is vintage genuine, unfinish paper ( not hole and not square) . Bubble is fuerzaT. Blue is like shidoshi. The calzoncillos is fuerz T. I can tell you that it's a very enigmatic figure :)

En 6/5/2019 a las 15:31, Trem83 dijo:

Tonos invertidos? Peto azul y cuerpo naranja? 

 

He visto por ahi una foto de un Faker plateado y atuendo amarillo , en la caja pone top toys....pero ya no se si es custom, es la primera vez que lo veo. El Faker (indio creo)con el taparrabos y báculo de Skeletor y un antifaz dibujado en la cara si que lo habia visto

 

imagenes gratis

 

Hola. Este es bart916 de Italia. Este es el falsificador metálico original. No es argentor una costumbre de barbarroja. Es y original hecho en 2003 con moldes de redicción. Es único y original. barbarossa lo ha reproducido usando mis fotos. Está en el estilo de fuerza T falso en la tarjeta roja. Tarjeta roja original y burbuja original de fuerza T. El grupo SHA (sindado he man argentina) lo ha reclamado como auténtico. solo sabemos n. Se hizo 2 FAKER . Todas las otras costumbres mías explotaron en mis fotos.

 Esa es una foto vieja, hecha con Flash. El azul es qidoshi, no ese azul claro. Si lo desea, puedo enviar imágenes de alta definición del faker

En 6/5/2019 a las 22:34, KMKA dijo:

El primero que has puesto es un Santo Grial que dicen los americanos. Que me corrija el compañero @vvv si me equivoco, pero ese Faker creo que se trata de una tirada superlimitada de 2000 o 3000 unidades (no es que fuese exclusiva, es que no hicieron muchas), con la cabeza dura, un antifaz pintado, taparrabos y báculo naranjas a juego con el resto de armas, a parte de una tonalidad diferente en las botas. Son súper caras (aunque a veces y si tienes mucha mucha suerte las puedes encontrar en alguna subasta de algún despistado). De la marca Leo Toys de India.

 

El segundo es un custom de Barbarossa usando una tarjeta de Argentina (Top Toys):

 

https://www.lulu-berlu.com/masters-of-the-universe-argentor-top-toys-card-barbarossa-art-a47008-en.html

 

Entre Top Toys y Leo Toys te puedes encontrar varias las variaciones más exóticas del universo MOTU (Cammo Khan por ejemplo).

 

Un par de dudillas @vvv:

 

¿Los otros dos que no se distribuyeron en España, fueron Ninjor y Sorceress?

¿Dónde se fabricaban las figuras France españolas?

 

 

De Faker, cuenta la leyenda que los tenderos de aquí no querían venderlo porque era exactamente igual que He-Man pero de otro color. Por lo que suponían que no tendría ventas. ¿Quien iba a comprar un repaint pudiendo comprar otra figura diferente?

Hola. Este es bart916 de Italia. Este es el falsificador metálico original. No es argentor una costumbre de barbarroja. Es y original hecho en 2003 con moldes de redicción. Es único y original. barbarossa lo ha reproducido usando mis fotos. Está en el estilo de fuerza T falso en la tarjeta roja. Tarjeta roja original y burbuja original de fuerza T. El grupo SHA (sindado he man argentina) lo ha reclamado como auténtico. solo sabemos n. Se hizo 2 FAKER . Todas las otras costumbres mías explotaron en mis fotos.

 Esa es una foto vieja, hecha con Flash. El azul es qidoshi, no ese azul claro. Si lo desea, puedo enviar imágenes de alta definición del faker